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Conscious Conversion is a weekly podcast about how we bridge the gap between business and spirit, money and meaning, technology and regeneration in a wildly changing world. In a time of so much polarity and uncertainty, this podcast explores how together we are connecting across the planet, across our differences and across dimensions as we build the New Earth together.

Nov 19, 2020

Spirit and business are often treated like two powerful, warring points of focus that cannot co-exist or be of service to the planet. 


It doesn’t have to be this way. 


The two can be brought together harmoniously to the benefit of the collective. If we are in alignment and our business goals are in the service to spirit, we can be more centered and trusting.


We can surrender and let spirit lead the way, and we’ll never get pulled away from our purpose. 


We can show up in the entrepreneurship space as powerful channels co-creating with the Universe. 


How does trust in a higher purpose ground us in a marketing world of ever-changing social media algorithms? Why is it so important to be led by spirit in our businesses? How do we delegate and empower our people to get into their flow state?  


In this episode, I’m joined by heart-centered visionary CEO, coach, and dance poet musician, Derren Ohanian. We discuss how entrepreneurship changes when spirit comes first.  


3 Things We Learned From This Episode


- How to keep going when algorithms change 

Algorithms change and marketing channels shift, this is something we have no control over. Instead of trying to fight against it, surrender and trust spirit to lead you gracefully into the next iteration. We have to let go and trust knowing that when we let go, the Universe will always provide the success and abundance we desire. 


- How to empower our people by trusting the higher purpose 

Trust in your team, let them do the work and get out of the way. If we hover over them and watch their every move, we put them in a fear state and disempower them.  

We want them working from their zone of genius not a contracted state. 


- Why entrepreneurship is incomplete without spirit

Business owners who aren’t informed by spirit often find themselves in the trap of lone wolf syndrome. This manifests in us wanting to control everything, harboring self-judgment, and thinking everything needs to be perfect. Moving past those traumas and tapping into spirit gets us into flow so we show up as our best selves in business.


Guest Bio 


Derren is a heart-centered visionary CEO, coach, and dance poet musician who is also known as Flowing River. He is the founder of Social Sensei and co-founder of Ascension Academy. Social Sensei is a digital marketing agency that specializes in Instagram influencer marketing, social media strategies, SEO optimization, and ad campaign management to help our clients gain more followers, increase engagement, and drive more sales. 


Derren has over 13+ years of experience working with hundreds of startups and businesses to help them thrive. He blends entrepreneurship with philanthropic work to help co create and manifest a more beautiful existence. 

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